The Harvard Scholar Who Champions Evil: A message to Professor Ephrem Isaac – Aie Zu Guo

November 24th, 2009 Print Print Email Email

Dear Monsieur le Professor, (more…)

Dear Monsieur le Professor,

Allow me to congratulate you for taking the initiative to resolve the political impasse between the opposition and the ruling Zenawi party. Your initiative for peace, tolerance and forgiveness motivated peoples’ hope of reconciliation in Ethiopia. From the outset, you marshaled interest mixed with curiosity.

Curiosity pushed many to learn more about you. Cyber space admonishes you as a Harvard graduate with exceptional linguistic abilities who speak Amharic, Oromifia, Tigregna, English, French, Hebrew, and more that society created as a modicum of communication. These are extremely valuable qualities that deserve praise. Your extraordinary linguistic abilities and teaching experience at Harvard gives the impression that you have the underlying wisdom on the basic tenets of arbitration enshrined in different languages and cultures. Without exaggeration, you are a perfect fit for the business of arbitration between a regime sitting above the law and those suppressed by the law. However, your skeptics cautioned that you are either a courageous man or a naive citizen or a puppet wearing a chameleon’s hat. Leaving these superlatives aside, the ‘arbitration’ you doctored was admired and our hats off to you Monsieur le professor grand!

Monsieur le Professor,

Since time immemorial, the business of arbitration was founded on the premises of TRUTH and NEUTRALITY. Success depends on the level of impartiality, professionalism and integrity of the arbiters. It won’t be too much to ask these ingredients from a Harvard-educated scholar and a linguist of your caliber who has the intellectualism of a scholar, the wisdom of an old man; the tradition of a true Ethiopian and the look of an honest broker. No reason to think differently.

Often you say that Ethiopia’s rich culture and tradition is full of forgiveness. But you did not tell us how difficult your job would be when a party in the drawing board is filled with grudges and vengeances and above all lost its culture and tradition. It is hoped that you entered the business understanding the pitfalls of arbitration i.e. frustration, silence, setback and hibernation. Your mediation secured the release of Kinjit from Kaliti. One logically assumes that the mediation you doctored had issues that need your follow-up. Instead you went into self hibernation. You did not act on the issues that the two sides agreed upon. It looks Kinijit is your Cinderella.

For the 2nd time and contrary to your deal, Meles sent Birtukan to Kaliti on grounds that she violated the terms and conditions of the arbitration you doctored. Many expected that you (3rd neutral party) will tell the outside world whether a violation to your Kaliti protocol existed or not. After two years of silence you issued an astonishing press release in May 2009, asking Birtukan to retract her words to pave the way for another apology. You remain num on the wrongs of Meles, a perfect example of the betrayal of truth, integrity and impartiality.

Monsieur le Professor,

You know perfectly well that Meles has an excellent experience full of wrongs and crimes. In his government crimes against humanity and injustice are in abundance. In western economics the pull and push factors creates synergy between demand and supply. Money arbitrates the conflict between supply and demand. In revolutionary democracy supply does not need an external driver. One can produce crimes and injustices without demand. Truly speaking commodity without demand has no economic importance and should be out of market by default. Crime is a Marxist commodity without value and without market demand. In the absence of demand and supply arbitration has no place. Unfortunately as the repressive regime’s crimes against humanity continue to mount, a lucrative business of arbitration proliferates in tandem.

A few months ago Ethiopians were told that 35-40 people were arrested for attempting to over throw the government. This supply of wrong accusation reinvigorated your mediation business. Certainly you will not be short of courage and wisdom to ask these people to enter a pardon plea for the guilt they never committed in the first place.

Using dubious tactics you ask defenseless people in prison admit guilt then enter a pardon plea. This is the job of a policeman and not that of a mediator. Meles uses the ‘confession and pardon plea statement’ to build the case against the opposition. Your effort gives legitimacy to Meles to wrongly incarnate innocent citizens. It appears that the ultimate objective of your arbitration is to pave the way for Meles to come out victorious. Sadly you are doing this at the expense of the basic ingredients of arbitration i.e. integrity, neutrality and impartiality.

Monsieur le Professor,

In the last week we are hearing that you have started a new campaign of arbitration between MEDREK and Meles. No one knows to what extent Meles lends his ears to you. The mere fact that you have full access to his palace makes one believe that you are his trusted agent. Should this assumption be correct, please have the courageous to ask Melese release Birtukan and other political prisoners. This is the linchpin for a genuine arbitration. Let the 4 year old toddler join her mother. Certainly the Ethiopian constitution states that politicians are not to be incarcerated for their political views and statements. If Meles does not accept this that means he is in denial of his own constitution. If you are incapable of mediation have a little courage to tell the outside world who the problem child of Ethiopia is today.

Monsieur le Professor,

It is detestable to seeing you putting undue pressure on defenseless prisoners to admit guilt first and enter a pardon plea next. This is the job of a policeman and not that of a mediator. Your tactic is designed to legitimize Meles to continue his incarnation of innocent people. Your language is indistinct, often clouded with nebulous jargons, with bombastic but often ambiguous terms of spirituality, heroism and traditionalism. You played smart to understand the dialect of Meles, and Berket. When Melese gets cornered you shuttle between Kaliti and the palace. When Meles holds the upper hand, you travel to Europe to speak to Mosad and OLF.

This arbitration of yours is without integrity and human conscious. You are mute from vetting right over wrong. It is sickening, it is diabolical and hypocritical. My good old mother always tells me that hypocrites lack reason and fairness. The best solution is to stay away from them, because they too are extensions of the jackal’s jaw. Stop using Ethiopiawinet as a bargaining cheap to advance your indecent diplomacy and arbitration that ultimately emboldens deceit. A true Harvard scholar never champions evil to triumph over truth. Back off professor. Shalom.

Aie Zu Guo

November, 2009
PS: Comments to: aiezuguo@yahoo.com

  1. Guest
    | #1

    Too good to comment, Thanks

  2. ያልፋል ሁሉም
    | #2

    ኣምላክ ይባርኮት ሀቁን ስለጻፉ;; አኚህ ሽማጊሌ ለአውነት የቆሙ ሳይሆኑ መለስ ለመውደቅ ስንገዳግድ ለማዳን የሚሮጡ ናችው:: የህገራችንን የሽምግልናን ባህል የሚያራክሱና ልዩ ተልአኮ ያላቸው ስለሆኑ መጠንቀቅ ይኖርብናል:: በተረፈ ጠላትና ወዳጃችንን በየአጋጣሚው አያወቅንና አየተገነዘብን በመሆኑ መሽወድ የለብንም:: የኢትዮጵያ አምላክ የስራቸውን ይስጣቸው::

    አኛ ግን አንበርታ!

  3. ያልፋል ሁሉም
    | #3

    አምላክ ይባርኮት ሀቁን ስለጻፉ;; አኚህ ሽማጊሌ ለአውነት የቆሙ ሳይሆኑ መለስ ለመውደቅ ስንገዳግድ ለማዳን የሚሮጡ ናችው:: የህገራችንን የሽምግልናን ባህል የሚያራክሱና ልዩ ተልአኮ ያላቸው ስለሆኑ መጠንቀቅ ይኖርብናል:: በተረፈ ጠላትና ወዳጃችንን በየአጋጣሚው አያወቅንና አየተገነዘብን በመሆኑ መሽወድ የለብንም:: የኢትዮጵያ አምላክ የስራቸውን ይስጣቸው::

    አኛ ግን አንበርታ!

  4. helen
    | #4

    I am an American of Ethiopian parents and I very much love Ethiopia eventhough I have never been there. I am afraid for Ethiopia from the Likes of Professor Ephrem Issac a stunch Zionist who is openly serves the interest of the world zionist movement and their racist idiology. I am not anti Jew or semite but Zionism has defamed jews and millions of Jews are against Zionism. Ethiopians should be careful and midfull of persons like Professor Ephrem.

  5. mateos
    | #5

    The Harvard scholar?????????? poor professor got infected with the deadly weyane infectious disease (WID) beyond repair; the only people that could not detect the WID are the scholars themselves. Who is there to trust the weyane mafia families other than their beneficiaries and the ones who got caught with their deadly WID? Meles and his boss, Bereket Simon, will be sentenced to life in prison by Ethiopia’s own judicial system! until then whoever is willing to be with WID at will then let them be, but it is time to stop the aiga jungle WID in Ethiopia and around the globe before it consumes more innocent lives!

  6. Cjones_1
    | #6

    This comment is for the news article suggesting Oxfam is seeking shake in Aid Distribution:

    I have no respect for any report coming out of Oxfam. This organization is responsible for much the grief Ethiopians are now facing. Twenty five years ago, this NGO started to work hand and glove with the TPLF rebels and is mainly responsible for the success of this group coming to power. Not only it channeled food aid to the rebels it was also at one point served as a spokesperson organization for this mafia group. The rebels are now the current dictators. To this day Oxfam never ever dared criticize this mafia/ethno-fascist group for their misguided land policy which is responsible for much of the famine now. Oxfam is now at it again suggesting “knee-jerking” strategy. The only knee-jerking its policy does is the poor farmers and peoples of Ethiopia. Oxfam in sheep’s clothing. We were much better off before these “Lords of Poverty” showed up in our continent. The African people know all the tricks these NGO’s play. The only ones who do not know are western taxpayers who dish out all the money (of which African people are not and never were a beneficiary no matter what they try to tell you). The only beneficiaries are executives of NGO’s like Oxfam, their Western political backers and the dictators they installed on our head here in Africa. We haven’t heard a word from the likes of Oxfam when the current Ethiopian government started to sell whatever little farm land it has to other nations despite the fact that Ethiopia has close to 17 million starving people. Spare us the crocodile tears on our behalf Oxfam!!

  7. Abera
    | #7

    This is indeed an excellent comment

    Excellent comment. Bravo!!!

  8. truth
    | #8

    absolitly correct messege i am also beleave this profesore is worthless i am calling him to take off the ethiopian traditional cloth that dosn’t belong to him, we know and he knows where he belong.

  9. ETHIOPIAN JEW
    | #9

    TO Aie Zu Guo

    The comment of Aie Zu Guo is weared just as much as his name. First, nothing is wrong being a mediator between disputing parties. As we knew from law and fact, mediation is a voluntarily process of dispute resolution and it is not binding in any way. The prisioners of Meles Zenawi are well educated and they knew what the process or result would be in closing the mediation process. Those opposition members of former Kinijit are the foolish victim of their stupidity, and they are stupid without exception because they cannot agree to be one in unity of purpose. As to our tradation, the professor had tried his best and get released. Now preeemptively he is also being accused for the action that he had not started let alone completed. The professor is the victim of racism and discrimination. Because of his religion as a Jew, he may not favored by the christian gangs who have no love to God or humanity. They have no Love God because they worshipped three entity gods, so called the FSH nor have humanity because during the day of the massacare, none of the opposition sons or daughtors were attended the historic demonstration let alone killed by Weyane’s Agazian murderers.The professor had made his best effort to get released with his associates eventhough none of them are near to his acadamic superiority. The writer accused accused the professor for first getting the assurance of word from the prisioners to admit and later asked the government to grant the pardon. The central point (and advantage)of mediation is that it is not binding. For this reason, whatever was said in the mediation process is not admissible in the court of law be it as an evidence or otherwise. So the professor whom he was accused that he had asked prisioners to admit guilt is not wrong byitself. If The prisioners do not admit guilt for purpose of mediation process leading to the actual grant of pardon, then the party who grant the pardon has no base to grant at all because in the abssence of admission, there is no grant but litigation eventhough at every stage of the process the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

    Ari Zu Guo, stop using oul holy word “shalom” and use your word selam as paganism and Judaism are not compatiable.

  10. truth
    | #10

    to ethiopian jew please do not tel me ethiopia worst than ehere you live i really exactly when you moved but still you are not welcome by the jewsh.by the way this ethiopian’s web site.

  11. helen
    | #11

    To ETHIOPIAN JEW
    why dont you ask the professor why he left Israel why he don’t stay in Israel? if you are real Ethiopian Jew you have to know the reason so don’t be stupid and say “the professor is the victim of racism and discrimination. Because of his religion as a Jew” there is nothing with he’s religion the problem is he is hodam adrbay shmagle mehonu new.

  12. Free Birtukan
    | #12

    My dear brothers and sisters,

    I am very disappointed by the article. I have known the Professor Ephrem personally since 1986 when he spoke in a Chrisitan-Jewish leadershp meeting in USA that I was invited to attend. He is a man of great calibre and learning whom I admired. There should not be any doubt about talent.

    Now regarding his achievement and contributions his glaring records will tell and I cannot list here. His greatest among many in Ethiopia is the literacy campaign he championed during Haile Selassie’s era.

    He is a man of priniciple and discipline with all the human frailties like each one of us.

    Attacking and disrespecting him not a solution. That would not help Birtukan and other prisoners of conscience. We should appreciate his efforts, to say the least.

  13. ETHIOPIAN JEW
    | #13

    TO HELEN:

    Your comment “Why do not ask the professor why he doesn’t stay in Israel”? is not a sensible but stupid question. First, to be a Jew or follwer of Judaism – the religion of the Jewish people, one does not necessarliy be an Israelite by race or “must” live in Israel because of his religion. The same rationale apply to Muslims who live in Ethiopia because Ethiopian Muslims are Ethiopian and not Saudi Arabian or other Gulf State nationals. Ethiopia is the land of all faith (judaism, Islam and Christianity and not ONLY FOR THE CHRISTIANS as falsely asserted for generation. The false phrase that “Ethiopia is an Island of Christianity” is what provoke your suggestion to ask me to let I suggest to the professor to live in Isreal because, in your mind, Jews are not entitled to live in Ethiopia. You need to decolonize your mind from such foolish but politically tented thinking. For otherwise, you are multiplying your enemies, which Christians see Judaism and Islam as their bitter enemy when it come to your “human god”, Jesus Christ. Therefore, the professor RIGHTFULY can be Ethiopian by nationality and follower of the true religion- Judaism. In fact All Ethiopian Jews WERE, ARE, and WILL be both Israelite and Ethiopian at the same time because Ethiopian Jews are (1) the decendant of Moses whose wife was Ethiopian, and (2) we also can RIGHTFULLY claim that our descendet also rooted from King Solomon who fathered Minilik from Queen of Sheba.

    As to Professor Ephrem Issac political engagement, I must also say the following: First, he is man of great integrity and interest because he don’t want to see another massacare in the Meskel square in Addis Ababa and is working hard to bring the disputing parties for negotiation. Such effort should be appriciated and not criticised by those who has no idea about the process. I heared some critics claiming that in the past, his action in getting the release of former KINIJIT leaders was to the advantage of the Weyane government. If that is what the KINIJIT members and supporters believe, then the agreement between the government and Kinijit can be cancelled and all can go back to prision to join Birtkan because there is NO statue of limitation to repeal the agreement since the mediation is not binding.

    CAN KINIJIT DARE TO DO THAT???? IF THAT IS NOT WHAT THE KINIJIT (now “MEDEREK”) WANTED, THEN LET THE PROFESSOR TRY ANOTHER CHANCE FOR PEACE. Let the process go through and if the result is not favorable to Mederek, they can withdrew themselves. SO WHY OPPOSE BEFOREHAND??

  14. Helen
    | #14

    To ETHIOPIAN JEW
    ነገሮችን እንደምትፈልገው ማስተካከል ተውና ና ቁም ነገር እናውራ ፕሮፌሰር ለምን እስራኤል አይኖሩም ወይም መኖር አልፈለጉም ስል ይሁዲ ስለሆኑ እስራኤል ውስጥ ብቻ መኖር አለባችእው ለማለት አይደለም፤ አቶ ይሁዲ ነኝ ባይ ስለኢትዮጵያውያን ይሁዲዎች በእስራኤል ውስጥ ስለሚደርስባቸውና ስለደረሰባቸው የዘረኝነት መድልኦ ወይንም ጭቆና የምታውቅ ከሆነ ስለፕሮፌሰርም እስራኤል ውስጥ ትምህርታቸውን እንኩዋን በስነስርሃት እንዲጨርሱ መብቱ ተነፍጎአቸው እስራኤልን ለቀው እንደወጡ ማወቅ ነበረብህ ግን እንደዚህ አይነት ወሬዎች ለጎረቤት አያምርም ስለዚህም አታወራቸውም፤ ይሄንን አንድ ምሳሌ የሰጠሁህ ሌሎች ነገሮች ስለኢትዮጵያኖች በእስራኤል ውስጥ ስለሚደርስባቸው ጠፍቶ ሳይሆን ጨዋታችን ስለፕሮፌሰር ስለሆነና አንድ ሰው ጥፋት ሲአጠፋ ባጋጣሚም ሃይማኖቱ ይሁዲ ከሆነ ያው የተለመደው ማላዘኛ ይሁዲ ስለሆነ ነው ዘረኝነት ነው የምትለዋን አባባልህን ስላልወደድኩት ነው፤ “I heared some critics claiming that in the past, his action in getting the release of former KINIJIT leaders was to the advantage of the Weyane government. If that is what the KINIJIT members and supporters believe, then the agreement between the government and Kinijit can be cancelled and all can go back to prision to join Birtkan “አትሞኝ ቅንጅትን ፕሮፌሰር አይደሉም ከእስር ቤት ያስፍቷቸው ወያኔ እስረኞቹን እንዴፈታ ትልቅ ግፊት ሲደርስበት መውጫ ቀዳዳ ፈለገ እነኚህን እስረኞች ያለአግባብ እንዳሰራቸው ሳያምን በምን አይነት መንገድ መፍታት እንደሚችል ሲአስብ እድሜአቸው ገፋ ያለ በጌቶቹም(በአሜሪካን መንግስት) ፊት ስማቸው የታወቀ ብዙ ጥያቄም የማይጠይቁ ሌሎቹንም በተለያዩ ምክንያቶች በህዝቡ ዘንድ ታዋቂነት ያላቸውን ጠርቶ ሽማግሌዎች ሁኑን አለ የሽምግልናውም ውጤታቸውን አየነው፤ አሁንም የማይገባቸው ነገር ውስጥ ገብተው ነገሮችን ሳያበላሹ እዛው ጥጋቸውን ይዘው ቁጭ ይበሉ እስካሁን ጉዳት እንጂ ጥቅም አልሰሩም አንተም ስለይሁዲነት ሞኖፖል የለህም አንተ ብቻ አይደለህም ይሁዲ ይቺን ማላዘኛ ምክንያትህንም አቁም፡፤

  15. ETHIOPIAN JEW
    | #15

    TO HELEN;

    I have read now and then the comment you made at Comment No.11 above. There is nothing you mentioned about the community of Ethiopian Jews who you are suffering a certain mistreatment or discrimination by the Israeli Government. Notwithstanding your short assertion of fact, which is yet to be proven by preponderence of evidentiary proof, you “ADDED” certain statements (such as why the professor did not help Jews living in Israel….etc”) to justify your reasoning to let I suggest to the professor to stay in Israel. Dear Ethiopian: I am in the business of legal profession and am well familiar with questioning and cross-examining implausable statements which has no purpose but further deception. Remember, when you try to justify ONE statement of falshood, by mere rehoteric yet empty logic and reasoning, you can go deeper into another SEVEN false assertion the case of which you made here unashemdly. Read your statement at comment no.11 and then accuse me if I was answering contrary to what you said. But Let me ask you some facts from your comment no. 14:

    1. Where did you get the information that the United States asked Professor Ephrem Issac to intervene as a mediator. Can you prove by any printed material, such as news paper, Radio comments, letter, other tangable facts or washington told “you” of such plan??
    2. Can you state to me or other readers what the damage was professor’s previous action in getting the release of Kinijit membere. Please put your points as 1, 2, 3 etc so that we can know the fact and trust you that your critic against the professor is belivable at this time.
    3. Please also reason out why the professor was singled out while the mediators were more than five.
    4. Assuming that you are politican of the century, please indicate (or prophesyzing)to us what the damage to MEDEREK and BENEFIT to Weyane would be if the professor and his team go ahed with his/their effort in reconciling disputing parties at this time.

  16. Reppi
    | #16

    To The Ethiopian Jew
    Since you qualified yourself as an Ethiopian Jew, please tell
    us the difference between a Jewish Ethiopian and an Ethiopian Jew.
    Reppi

  17. ETHIOPIAN JEW
    | #17

    TO REPPI:

    Answering your question by question, I also say to you “what is the difference between Ethiopian Christian” and Christian Ethiopian? In political environment we also say “Ethiopian American ” or “African American”. What do you understand from these words??. Let me answer to others who may have read your question not to you because your question was not based on good faith and sincerity to knowledge.

    When the name of the country appear first “ETHIOPIA/N” it signify the birtplace or origin of country of the person who has a certain religious affilation, in my case Judaism. But in the case of the Israelite, the word Jew is preceived as a religion eventhough Jew is a RACE not religion. Jewish also means an identity of nationality just as English or Polish. The religion of Jews or Jewish people is Judaism. It was proper to identify myself as an “Ethiopian Judaism” just as the same way one correctly say “Ethiopian Christian”. However, “ETHIOPIAN JUDAISM” is unusual and improper because it give false impression as if there is Isrielite Judaism, French Judaism, Nigerian Judaism…etc. Whether this satisfy you or not it is of little concern to me because it has nothing to do with “faith in God” but politics. In a nutshell, I do just heared the word “Jewish Ethiopian” from you for the first time and the “phrase is so unusual and unheard of.

    MR. REPPI: Why don’t you ask me why I rejected christianity and choose the religion of Judaism so that you can learn something you never know about your human-god- Jesus and other similar semi deity figures that God send to this world to test the Israelite? (see Deuteronomy 13;2-5). If you want to know about the theological debate I made about christianity, visit this page where I posted an article under the Title: “The ongoing crimes of the dictators “Patriarch Abune” Paulos against The Ethiopian Orthodox Church – Ze Debrezeit Kidus Rufael” at http://www.abugidainfo.com/p=11868 and see the 19 pages researched paper that I have linked to comment no.16. GOOD LUCK

  18. Reppi
    | #18

    Selam Ethiopian Jew
    For your information I niether believe nor care
    about the Israeli Jesus. I really do not care why
    you converted to Judaism. If you beleive there
    is a Jewish race, you must also believe Jews
    are a special people which in other words means
    you are full of yourself. The God I believe in you see
    sees everything and every bieng special since
    he created all.
    A Jewish Ethiopian is an Ethiopian who happens
    to worship the Jewish God where as an Ethiopian
    Jew is one who worships himself. See the difference?
    You can sell this Jewish race story to the westrners.
    We know the difference between the children
    of Israel and eastern Europeans who converted
    to Judaism much like yourself.
    Any response is welcome!!!
    Reppi

  19. Helen
    | #19

    To ETHIOPIAN JEW

    1. “Where did you get the information that the United States asked Professor Ephrem Issac to intervene as a mediator” ብለህ ለጠየከው “በጌቶቹም(በአሜሪካን መንግስት) ፊት ስማቸው የታወቀ” ነው ያልኩት እንጂ አሜሪካን ለሽምግልና ላኩዋቸው አላልኩ ለነገሩ ፕሬዜዳንት ቡሽ ልኮአቸውም ሊሆን ይችላል
    2.ወያኔ እራሱን ችሎ ያለምህራባውያንና ያለአሜሪካ ድጋፍ እንደማይኖር የታወቀ ነው በጊዜው የቅንጅትን መሪዎችን በማሰሩ እነኚሁ መንግስታት እስረኞቹን እንዲፈታ በተለያየ መንገድ ጫና አድርገውበት ነበር ጠቅላላ የተቃዋሚዎችን መሪዎች እስር ቤት አጉሮ ወደምህራባውያን ዘንድ እጅ ለመንሳት መሄዱ ፋሽስቱን መለስ ባያሳፍረውም ምህራባውያን መንግስታት ግን ለወሬውም ቢሆን ደስ እንደማይል ስለሚያውቁ የግድ መፈታት ነበረባቸው፤ እዚህ ላይ እንግዲህ የአንተ ፕሮፌሰር ጨዋታ እዚህ ላይ ነው ወያኔ እራሱ ከሳሽ እራሱ ፈራጅ እራሱ አሳሪ መሆኑ ለማናችንም ግልጽ ነው ለመሆኑ ምን አይነት ሽምግልና ነው አጥቂውን ትቶ ተጎጂውን በል ይቅርታ ጠይቅ ይቅርታ ካልጠየክ ከእስር ቤት አትወጣም ብሎ በመጎትጎት የወያኔ ስራ አስፈጻሚ መሆን እና ከወያኔ ጋር ተባብሮ ማምለጫ ቀዳዳውን መስጠት ፤ 3.መለስ እስከቡችሎቹ መውደቂያው ጊዜ እየተቃረበ መሆኑን በደንብ ገብቶታል በምርጫ ስም አሁንም ለማታለል እንጂ ውነተኛ ምርጫ ለማድረግ እንደማይፈልግ የታወቀ ነው ይሄንንም ማታለያ ዘዴውን ከግቡ እንዲአደርስ አንተባበርህም የሚሉት መድረኮች ናቸው ስለዚህ ወያኔ የተለመደው መለዕክተኛውን ፕሮፌሰርን ልኮ ለማባበል ይፈልጋል ያንተ ፕሮፌሰርም ያለፈው ጥፋታቸው አንሶ አሁንም ሊደግሙት ያቅበዘብዛቸዋል ስለዚህም ስማቸው ተነሳ እንደምታየውም ስለእሳቸው እንወያያለን ስለሌሎቹ ደግሞ የነሱ ስም ሲነሳ በጊዜው እንወያይበታለን፤ 4.ከላይ ለሶስት የመለስኩልህ ልጥያቄ አራትም መልስ ሊሆን ይችላል ባጠቃላዩ በዚህ በማታለያ ምርጫ ስም ለወያኔ ማምለጫ ቀዳዳ ለመስጠት ከረዱት ጥፋቱ ለመድረክ ብቻ ሳይሆን ለጠቅላላው የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ነው ስለዚህ ህዝቡም አርፈው ይቀመጡ እያላቸው ነው፤ ለመሆን የሃገርን ጉዳይ የባልና ሚስት ኩርፊያ አደረጉት እንዴ ሽምግልና ሽምግልና የሚሉት ተምሮ መና ማለት ይሄ ነው፤
    ከላይ ለጠቀስከው ” I have read now and then the comment you made at Comment No.11 above. There is nothing you mentioned about the community of Ethiopian Jews who you are suffering a certain mistreatment or discrimination by the Israeli Government ”
    ውሸትን ጮሀው ስላወሩት ውነት አይሆንም እና ይሄ ሽምጥጥ አድርጐ መዋሸት ብወያኔዎችም ሰልችቶኛል እና ሂድና በእስራኤ ከታወቁት ጋዜጦች አንዱ በሆነው http://www.ynet.co.il በሚለው አድራሻ ግባና ተመልከት ብዙ የተመዘገቡ ጽሁፎች አሉ ፤ አሁን ይሄ መድረክ ስለ 80.000.000 ሚሊዮን የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ግፍና ስቃይ መወያያ ስለሆነ የእኔና ያንተን ሌላ መስመር ውስጥ መግባት በዚሁ እናቁመው፤

  20. BACKOFFSEYE
    | #20

    TO HELEN: (-A WOMAN OF BEAUTIFUL NAME BUT WITH PSYCOTHIC MIND):

    You are rumbling on matter of national interset but failed to ANSWER my question nor articulate your own statement to pursuade others. As stated earlier in my comment, I asked you who told you or where did you get the information that the U.S Government approach Professor Ephrem Issac to mediate MEDEREK and WEYANE. Reading your statement line by line, I did not find any fact that you put forword to the reader of our debate. Of course, you put a hypothethical guss that the professor may have been approched “because he is a known scholar….etc. This is your prerogative and not proof. In the language of law we call it “conjuncture”, pure and blind guess and/o conclusary allegation that has no base whatsoever. The professor approached both the disputing parties with other Ethiopian SHEMAGELEWOCH in his own and his associates’ initiative and not as you guess.

    ON ETHIOPIAN JEWS IN ISRAEL:

    In the 11th hour of your argument with me you claimed and attempt to show compassion about Ethiopian Jews who are mistreated in Israel. But before the 11th hours argument, YOU NEVER mention about Ethiopia Jews, and it was good not to mention because as an Ethiopian by nationality and Christian on faith, both will not give you any means to be concerned as Jews has their way of overcoming problems. But to confuse readers, you had said the professor should have stayed in Israel to help Ethiopians in Israel than to engage in the affair of Ethiopia’s political problem. POOR HELEN:- Let me re-cite your statement without distortion and let the reader understand what you have wrote and whether one can infer any concern for the Jews.

    Your comment #11, datedNovember 25, 2009 @20:12:

    “TO ETHIOPIAN JEW: Why dont’t you ask the professor why he did not stay in Israel? if you are real Ethiopian Jew you have to know the reason so dont be stupid and say”the professor is the victim of racism and discrimination because of his religion as a Jew” There is nothing with he’s religion the problem is he is hodam adrbay shemagele mehonu new”

    MS. HELEN: The above is the exact wording of your comment. So where did you mentioned about Ethiopian Jews who had and still are experiencing social/economic/politica or religious problem. What we see in your statement is how rude, bad Ethiopian you are in insulting a renowned scholar with the word “HODAM” “ADRBAY” SHEMAGELE”. Every Ethiopian who has the culture in honoring and respecting the elders mush be ashemd on your comment. HELEN: Repent!!!”repent and live” Ezek 18:32; Repent, for the kindom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 3:2, 4:17) Please note that I repent also for my strong statement but YOU DESERVE IT.

  21. BACKOFFSEYE
    | #21

    TO Helen: my pen name Ethiopian Jew was changed to Backoffse… but don’t be confused as you can easly recognize me from my point of the debate.

  22. ETHIOPIAN JEW
    | #22

    TO REPPI:

    I do not understand people rumbling of matters that is not worthy discussion. You said “you do not care about Israeli Jesus” and this means that you are not christian of whatever denomination. Also you said my conversition to Judaism is for the sake of preferential of Judaic race. My friend, you are lost before the process of our discussion had begins. When people converted from christianity (or from other religion) to Judaism, they did not do so for racial reason or to be considered “the Choosen people”. Even though the original Jewish scripture unequvically asserted that Israel is a “choosen people”, not all Israelite accept that concept. For this and other minor theological differences, there are five major denominations including (1)Orthodox Judaism (2)Conservative Judaism (3)Progressive Judaism (4)Reconstructionist Judaism and (5) Humanistic Judaism. There are also minor religious sect known as, among others, Kabalistic Judaism which are mostly scientists beliving that G-d had created the universe by explosion and that is a hot theory which has been slowly adapted to the science of Big Bang Theory. DISPITE ALL THESE DIFFERENT DENOMINATION, HOWEVER, JUDAISM ONLY BELIVE IN ONE TRUE G-D. IN CHRISTIANITY, THE DIVISION IS ABOUT JESUS WHETHER HE IS A DIVINE MAN ONLY OR A DEITY (G-D) BY HIMSELF. The Unification, the Johova Witness, the Angelican Church of England, the Unitarian churchs do not believe in Jesus AS A DEITY but as a prophet as muslims do believed) So haw you can come to the conclusary allegation that when one change his religion that he/she must believe on race puirity, meaning race superiorityor “choosen people”. If you are familiar with the biblical teaching people can not change their skin of color let alone his/her race. //See Jermiah 13:23 which said “can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spot?// So when I change my religion I did so for my belief on ONE and only ONE G-D, not GOD or Gods. My race is my race and your question is not with merit and in good faith but politics. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE EDUCATIONAL AND WORTHY OF REVIEW.

  23. Helen
    | #23

    TO ETHIOPIAN JEW
    ስማ ወንድም መሰረት የሌላቸውን ነገሮች መናገር ስራዬ ብለህ የተያያዝከው ይመስለኛል፤
    ይሀውልህ አሁን አዳምጥ መጀመሪያ ፕሮፌሰር “ለምን እስራኤል ውስጥ አይኖሩም እስራኤልን ለምን ለቀቁ” ያልኩት እስራኤል ሆነው ኢትዮጵያውያኖችን ለምን አይረዱም ነበር ወይ ለማለት አይደለም፤ ፕሮፌሰር ባደረጉት የሽምግልና ሰተት Aie Zu Guo በጽሁፉ ሲወቅሳቸው አንተ ግን የማይሆን ምክንያት ይሁዲ ስለሆኑ ነው ዘረኝነት ነው ትላለህ፤ ስለዘረኝነት ካነሳህ ጣትህን ኢትዮፕያውያኖች ላይ መቀሰር ትተህ እስራኤል ውስጥ ስላለው ዘረኝነት ብታወራ ይቀላል፤ ዘረኝነትም ነው እስራኤል ውስጥ የሚኖሩ ኢትዮጵያውያን ይሁዲዎች እንደሁለተኛ ዜጋ በትምህርት በኑሮ በስራ በየጊዜው የሚደርስባቸው ተጸእኖ፤ እራሳቸው ፕሮፌሰርም እስራኤል ውስጥ ትምህርታቸውን ሳይጨርሱ እስራኤልን ለቀው የወጡበትም ምክንያት ይሄው እስራኤል ውስጥ ያለው ዘረኝነት ነው “ለምን እስራኤል ውስጥ አይኖሩም እስራኤልን ለምን ለቀቁ” ብዬ ስጽፍ ይሄንን ለማለት ነው የፈለኩት፤
    ዘረኝነት ምን እንደሆን የሚአውቅ በዛ ላይ የተማርኩ ነኝ የሚል ያንተ ፕሮፌሰር እንዳደረጉት ከዚህ ፋሺስት ህጻን ሴት ወንድ ሳይል ህዝብ የሚጨፈጭፍ አውሬ መንግስት ነኝ ባይ በምኑም አይነት በሽምግልናም ሆነ በወዳጅነት መቅረብ አልነበረባቸውም፤ ይሄ ስራቸውም ሆዳም አድርባይ ሽማግሌ ያስብላቸዋል፤ ይሄንንም ስላልኩ ምንም አይነት ይቅርታ አልጠይቅም መጀመሪያ ለእኔ የሰው ህይወት ከእድሜ የበለጠ ክብር አለው ይሄንን እጁ በደም የተበከለ መንግስት ባንዳ ወያኔን የሚደግፍ የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ጠላት ስለሆን ለእኔም ጠላቴ ነው እና አንተም እኚህ የተከበሩ የተማሩ ፕሮፌሰር የምትለውን አቁምና ስራቸውን ተመልከት፤ ሰውን የማከብረውም የማቀለውም በጸባዩና በስራው ነው እንጂ ይሄንን ተማርኩ ይሄንን አወኩ ስላለ አይደለም፤
    እንግዲህ አሁን ባለንበት አለም ላይ የማይታይ አሰቃቂ ድርጊት እያደረገ የተቃወሙትንም ሰላማዊ ህዝብንም እየጨፈጨፈ እያሰረ የሚኖረውን የወያኔ መንግስት ምን አይነት አይምሮ ሊኖርህ ይገባል ሄደህ ልሸምግላችሁ ማለት

  24. Ethiopian Jew
    | #24

    To Helen:

    I have reviewed your comment as usual and appricate the way you become so soft in style and mannerism of addressing your points. In this regard, it would dishonest of me if I did not tell you that I was wrong in putting unnecessar yet offensive words in the middle of our debate. Once again, I apologize for the strong words. Notwithstanding my admission of character assassination, I must say, Howevr, that the professor is innocent no matter what others say about him. As we knew from all source of Media services, we listen on radios and read articles about the professor’s role on the mediation in the Internet but none had produced credable evidence what particular damage he cause the opposition party. The same is true about Lidetu Ayalew even though I am not his supporter and do not know what his political agenda is. So I ask the accuser “WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?” before seeking the answer from the accused. For example, you accused the professor “HODAM” “ADERBAY” and “SHEMAGELE”. What is the meaning of Hodam and Aderbay? Do you know for sure that he engaged to the midiation process for his economic need or, or did he consulted you about his poverity or economic status (how much money he had in bank …etc. Surely he did not but it was your assumption. And this world is not an open field that people live by assumption. And finally let me ask you one question but I am not expecting an answer from you – “WHO TOLD YOU THAT THE PROFESSOR HAD LEFT ISRAEL WITHOUT COMPLETED HIS EDUCATION DUE TO HIS EXPERIENCE OF RACISM ???

  25. Reppi
    | #25

    Selam Ethiopian Jew and All

    Ethiopian Jew these are Your words:”But in the case of the Israelite, the word Jew is preceived as a religion eventhough Jew is a RACE not religion. Jewish also means an identity of nationality just as English or Polish.”
    You either missed my point or it flew just above your head;My point was being a Jew does not make one Semetic anymore than being a christian does.
    Faith/Religion is personal relationship that one has with ones God.
    Sharing a common beliefs does not constitute a race.
    Religion being a personal relationship with ones maker;it is not my place to question or understand why people convert.

    Ethiopian Jew

    No where in my writing did I say people convert for this reason or that reason.Yet you read what your understanding allowed you to.
    Perhaps if you stop rambling on trying to teaching me about my religion
    and focus on the Torah and other teachings of the Jewish faith you will
    understand Nationality/identity/religion do not mean the same.

    My last point:only westerns who are guilt ridden about the Holocust and Zionists believe that there is a Jewish race.

    I wish you well in your new faith.

    Reppi

  26. Ethiopian Jew
    | #26

    TO REPPI:

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE. WESTERNERS ASSERTION OF THE EXISTANCE OF JEWISH RACE WAS REALIZED AFTER THE HOLOCOST IN 1945 WAS SO ERRONEOUS FROM HISTORICAL AND BIBLICAL FACTS. JESUS, A JEW HIMSELF SAID IN MATTHEW 15:24 THAT HE WAS NOT SENT EXCEPT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. SO WHO CARES WHAT THE WESTENERS SAY THIS OR THAT 1945 YEARS LATER??.

    AS to the similarity and/or difference between nationality/ Identity/ religion, I have no illusion and need no need any advice for that matter. If you re-read my comment no. 22, I have stated that Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people and those who may choose to follow that religion regardless of racial or ethinic identity. I do not understand what your motive WAS when you suggested to me to concentrate on my study of the Torah et.al. to understanding the differense between Nationality/identity and religion rather than questioning you about your religion. My fellow Ethiopian: I am not in need to know about one’s religion specially when the answer is readly avaiable without demand. In your statement you said “For your information I neither believe nor care about Israeli Jesus…” thus, believing you as someone with OUT FAITH OR a pagan. In my brief article, I have tried to explain to the readers about Jew/Jewish to be A “race/ETHNIC” not religion. In Ethiopian context too, there is some confusion, for example. If you are familiar with the Amhara culture, you may hear a question “are you Amhara or islam”. Amhara is ethnic and Islam is religion same as Jew is an ethnic and Judaism is religion. People generally believe Amhara (ethnic) to be same as religion because the Amhars are generally preceievd as christian people ony but such preception is wrong because thousends of Amharas in GONDAR, for example, are muslims. Likewise, an Israeli Jew by ethnic identity can be Muslim even though it seems so uncommon. UNDER SUCH POINTS OF UNDERSTANSDING WAS WHAT I WAS DISCUSSED MY ARTICLE AND NONE OF YOUR POINTS FLEW OVER MY MIND.

    Concerning “SEMITES”, you said that “BEING A JEW DOES NOT MAKE ONE SEMITIC ANYMORE THAN BEING A CHRISTIAN DOES”. I agree with that because either by religion or language, semetic groups include both diverse religion such as Judaism, Islam and Christianity. This is also apply to language such as Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Geez, Hebrew, Phoencian, Maltese Tigre or Tigrena.

    Thank you for your good wish to my faith.

  27. Helen
    | #27

    TO Ethiopian Jew
    አንተ እንደጻፍከው “I have tried to explain to the readers about Jew/Jewish to be A “race/ETHNIC” not religion. In Ethiopian context too, there is some confusion, for example. If you are familiar with the Amhara culture, you may hear a question “are you Amhara or islam”. Amhara is ethnic and Islam is religion same as Jew is an ethnic and Judaism is religion. People generally believe Amhara (ethnic) to be same as religion because the Amhars are generally preceievd as christian people ony but such preception is wrong because thousends of Amharas in GONDAR, for example, are muslims” ይሁዲ እስላም ወይም ይሁዲ ክርስቲያን የሚባል አለ ማለት ነው ፤ ግን እዚህ ላይ እኔ በግሌ ያየሁትና የማውቀው ነገር ቢኖር ግን እራሳቸው ሃይማኖታቸውን ከይሁዲነት ወደክርስቲያንነት የቀየሩት እኔ ይሁዲ ክርስቲያን ነኝ ብለው አይጠሩም ሃይማኖትህ ምንድነው ብለህ ስትጠይቃቸው ክርስቲያን ነው የሚሉት ዘርህ ከየት ነው ብለህ ስትጠይቃቸው ደሞ ከሩሲያ የሆነው ከሩሲያ ይልሃል ከፖላንድ የሆነው ደግሞ ከፖላንድ ነኝ ይልሃል. ሌሎች ደሞ እኔ መሺኪ ነኝ ብለው እራሳቸውን የሚጠሩ አሉ ማለትም በፊት ሃይማኖታቸው ይሁዲ የነበሩ አሁን ግን በኢየሱስ የሚያምኑ ማለት ነው፤ አንተ የሰጠሀው ማብራሪያ “Amhara is ethnic and Islam is religion same as Jew is an ethnic and Judaism is religion” ይሁዲ ዘር እንጂ ሃይማኖት አይደለም የምትል ከሆን ታድያ አባባልህ አሁን ከጠቀስኳቸው ጋር አይጋጭም ከምኑ ጋር ነው የሚሄደው ፤ ስለኢትይጵያን ይሁዲዎች ደሞ ፈላሽ ሞራ ተብለው የሚጠሩት ሃይማኖታቸውን ከይሁዲነት ወደሌላ ሃይማኖት የቀየሩ ናቸው ? ማብራሪያ ካለህ አይከፋም፤ ይቅርታ እዚህ መድረክ ላይ ለምትሳተፉ ኢትዮጵያውያኖች ይገባኛል ውይይታችን የዚህን መድረክ መስመር እየለቀቀ እንደሄደ፤

  28. Reppi
    | #28

    Selam Helen
    Christianity is a religion; Does that make Christian ethnic?
    Islam also is religion; Does that make Muslim ethnic?
    Someone who practices Judaism is a Jew, yehudi in Amharic.
    Look at the people who follow the Islamic faith. They come from
    different ethinicties. Yet if we follow your logic we will end up
    at the conclusion that there is a large ethnic group called Muslim.
    Reppi

  29. Ethiopian Jew
    | #29

    TO HELEN:

    As you have stated in your article, YES there are Jews of Christian faith. The founder of Christianity, St. Paul (not Jesus)was a Jew by his ethnic or racial identity but after conversion to christianity, he was a christian. Your illusion come into play, however, because you found some peole who say ” I am a Russian Jew, or “I am a Jew from Poland.” The two people are only telling you that their national origin is Russia and Poland, respectively but they did not tell you their religion because their religion is Judaism, not their ethnic affiliation to the Jewish/ Judaic tribe. So the proper answer that the two Jews of Russian and Polish origion should have been “I am Russian and my religion is Judaism” or “I am a Polish and my religion is Judaism”. In other word, the two people erroneously (mistakenly) assumed that their ethinic background, “jew/jewish” as their religion just as some people mistakenly assumed that Amhara (ethnic) meant religion ” SELAM NEH AMHARA?” as frequently people ask one’s religion.

    AS TO ETHIOPIAN JEWS: The Ethiopian Jewish community since their arrival to Ethiopia from Israel used a locally term FELASHA to identify themselves but the choice of the word was not their own. It was a stigma given by christians as part of racial segregation since after they arrived in Ethiopia, they were settled in the northern part of Ethiopia (Gonder) and were hated as they share the life style of the inhabitant of the locality. They never allowed to own land and FELASHA referred to identify as people migrated involunterily. They were and are Jews eventhough their color of skin had darkend through the century and, nowadays, no one can differentiate them from the rest of Ethiopians.
    They were converted to Christianity and were caled FALASH-MURA. This was accomplished mostly by the time of successive Amhara Emperors from Yukno Amlak ( ) to Emperor Yohannes ( ) but emperor Yohannes was also required Islam to do the same which provoked adherent of Islam who declared war on him and ultimatly killed him in Metema. (False historian only tell the exact opposite and said Islam declared war on christianity for Islamic religious expansion). Only Haile Selassie become more tolerent to the Ethiopian Jews as he developed the policy of “tolerence” as he declared “AGER YEGARA NEW HAYMANOT YEGEL NEW” because Haile Selassie claimed his kingship to be in the line and tribe of Juddah including King Solomon and King David.

    The above may give you some hint but to learn how the Jewish Rabbis fought hard to take Ethiopia Jewish community to Israel click here: http://www.studentstruggle.org/call_to_action_isreali.html

  30. Helen
    | #30

    Selam Reppi
    የእኔም አባባል እኮ እስላምም ወይም ክርስቲያን ማለት ህይማኖት እንደመሆኑ ይሁዲ ማለትም ዘር ሳይሆን ሃይማኖት ነው ነው የምለው ፤ ግን Ethiopian Jew ከላይ እንደጠቀሰው “Jew is an ethnic and Judaism is religion”ብሎ ሲሆን አሁን የሱን አባባል ከወሰድነው ግን እሱ እራሱን የብህር ስሙን “Ethiopian Jew” ብሎ ሲጠራ ሃይማኖቱ ግን ክርስቲያን ወይንም እስላም ሊሆን ይችላል ማለት ነው፤

  31. Reppi
    | #31

    Selam Helen

    Thank you for the Reply, it does make sense.

    If I may, I would like to throw the below for discussion:
    According to the Holy book the God of Israel promised the land to the Children of Israel.
    Who were the Original Israelites? and who are the current day Israelis?
    Are the current day Palestinians the descendants of the Original Israelites?
    Any corrections and/or comments are welcome.
    Reppi

  32. Ethiopian Jew
    | #32

    TO SELAM:

    Your comment N0. 31 is Half-Way true and Rappi also had mistakenly accepted you understanding as true in his comment No.31, because as I said earlier, one can be a Jew, like the example I have given you about St Paul, Apostle of Christ,Comment N0. 29 who converted to Judaism, which assert my reasioning that being a jew by ethnicity can’t prohibit one to be christian or the follower of Islamic faith. This means, if you find St. Paul today and ask him what is his religion and his ethinic identity, his answer will be “I am a jew (ethnic) and my religion is Judaism”. So far so good because I, you, (Helen) and Mr. Reppi agreed to this point. But the confusion still remain with BOTH OF YOU BECAUSE, (in my opinion) that you still preceieved the word “JEW” as a “religion”. IT IS NOT. The word “Jew” is the generally accepted “common identity” for all indiginious Jewish people, including all Israelites dispersed after the Romans distroyed the Holy Temple in 70 A.D as well as Ethiopian Jews who migrated from Israel prior to that in 970-930 B.C. at the reign of King Solomon and the visit of Queen of Sheba.

    IN ANOTHER WORD, THE COMMON NAME FOR ETHNIC IDENTITY FOR THE ISREAL’S 12 TRIBES IS “JEW” JUST “ABESHA’ IS THE COMMON NAME FOR ETHNIC IDENTITY OF THE ETHIOPIANS. You can prove this by trial and error i.e., by practice. If you find someone in the street of your neighborhood whose facial complexion look like an Ethiopian, this man/woman will understand you as you asked his/her country, not religion. If you ask further what ethnic group he /she is the answer may be Amhara, Oromo, Gurage, Tigre…etc.
    The same is true for Jews. The Jew first will tell you that he is a jew only until you specificall askd him from what tribe is he. Then he may tell you that he is one of the Twelve Tribe of the Jewish race, namely Asher, Benjamin, Dan, Gad, Issachar, Joseph, Juddah, Levi, Naphtali, Reuben, Simon and Zebulun — which I codded them as “JJZ GIRLS BAND” for my easy remeberance of my study of the bible.). Or see the Web at: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaism/tribes.html

    PART II:

    ANSWERING RAPP’S QUESTION:

    Both of your questions are difficult to identify Israel in terms of time period. However, according to history, there is no so-called Isreal that exist as a distinct Jewish race. According to the NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION “NIV” of the BIBLE, and the information that I am basing my article therefrom, indicate that the PATRIARCH Period did not exist until after 2250 B.C. However, the word history (not Biblical history)indicate that Mosopotamia’s civilization begin in 2500 B.C. and ended in 1600.B.C. Likewise, Egypt’s civilization that begin in 2500 B.C. ended in 400 B.C. The Syria-Palestine period which begin in 2500 B.C. and continued to exist to the period of 400 B.C. Despite all recorded period of civilization, Israel as a state never exist until the PATRIARCH period in about 2250 B.C.

    The patriarch period which begin at this period (Genesis 12-50) continued until the Exodus and Conquest of 1446 B.C. Between 2250 B.C. and 1446 B.C., major historical record begin for Israel since Abraham was born in 2166 B.C., moved to Canaan in 2091 B.C, produced Ishmael in 2080 B.C., ISAAC in 2066 B.C. and Abrham offer Isaac or Ishmael as a sucrifice for God. // I said “or” because even as a Jew, I believe Ishmael was, not Jacob, that Abrham offered as a sucrifice for the love of God. One can debate me on that “if one have the will”.//

    The Israelites history which begin since the patriarchs period passed other historical periods such as the Exodus from 1400 B.C. to the United Kingdom in about 1050 where Saul become the first King of Israel between 2050-2010 B.C. Israel was divided after he Israel under Saul was defeated by the Palestinine in 900. From 900-600 B.C., Israel was ruled by divided Kings followed by another exile and restoration between 600-400 B.C. After The Roman occupation of all kingdoms for extended period, Jesus Christ come to this world in 6/5 B.C. Judea, Semeria and all other kingdoms were ruled by colonial occupation under Augustus Caesar 27 B.C – 14 A.D. After the death of Augustus in 14 Ad, successive Roman kings rule all the Middle Eastern countries which resulted another exile of the Israelites to European countries mostly to German where Hitler annihilated the Jewish race in the 1940s. After Germany was defeated by the Allied Forces, the British helped the restoration of the Israelites by giving most of the Palestinian’s land and Israel was re-instituted as a young and “NEW” Jewish state

    Answering the question (a) “who were the Original Israelites?” (b) ” Who the current Israelites?” and (c) “are the current day Israelites the deescendants of the original Israelites?” can be answered as follows:

    (a). The original Israelites were all the twelve tribes of Israel who were the decendant of Abrham until the divided and restoration period. Many people said it is upto the life time of Jesus. The problem with that is at Jesus’s time the Roman ruled all other nation and there was a period where no one knows who was who at the Jewish land. While people were displaced for political reasons under Roman’s colonial rule, Jesus was also responsible for dividing the people because he was rejected by the FERISAWIANS. Jesus had declared that he come to this world NOT for peace but to divide people and, even he would have been happy if fire was already kindled on his own people (Matthew 1010:34-35. Similarly, he said in Matthew 15:23-26 that “he called a Cannanan woman “dog” and preferred to serve Jews only. This indicate that the original people of Israelites were to this period only.

    (b) The current Israelite, in my opinion, are not “completly the descendants of the original Israelites because of generation gap, migration, conversions and ethnic affiliation from neighboring states etc. This does not mean that the descendants of old generation has been disappeared.

    (c) I believe that the current day Palestinians are also the descendant of the original Israelites because of Ishmael’s sonship to his father Abrham. Even Ishmael’s descendants are mostly Muslims in the present, that does not prohabit Muslim to claim that they are descendant of the Israelite because tribal affilation in Jewish theology is quite POSSIBLE IF ONE’S “BIRTH FATHER” IS JEWISH ( see Num. 1:18-44,and Leviticus 24:10. Therefore, since Abrham is a jew, Ishmael’s descendants (the whole Arabs for that matter) have that rightful connection.

  33. Helen
    | #33

    Ethiopian Jew
    ከዚህ በፊትም ብየሃልሁ አሁንም እደግምልሃለሁ አንተ ስለታሪክም ስለፖለቲካም ስለሃይማኖትም ስትጽፍ ለነገሩ ምህራፍ አንቀጽ ….ቁጥሮችን ደርድረህ ትጠቅስና ግን የሚለውን ወይም የተጻፈውን እያልክ አንተ እንደመሰለህ ወይም ያልሆነውን ትጽፋለህ ፤ እዚህ ላይ አንተ ስራዬ ብለህ የተያያዝከው ሊሆን ይችላል እኔ ግን የምትጽፈውን በሞላ ለማስተካከል ጊዜውም የለኝም ግን ለእኔ ሳይሆን ይሄንን መድረክ ለሚከታተሉ እንዳይሳሳቱ ልሁሉም አንባቢ ግልጽ እንዲሆን ሁለቱን ምሳሌ አድርጌአለሁ 1)አንተ እንደዚህ ተብሎ ተጽፎአል አልክ “he said in Matthew 15:23-26 that “he called a Cannanan woman “dog” and preferred to serve Jews only” መጽሃፍ ቅዱሱ ላይ የተጻፈው ግን ይሄ ነው Matthew 15:23-26 23But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying,(A) “Send her away, for she is crying out after us.” 24He answered, (B) “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25But she came and(C) knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” 26And he answered, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and(D) throw it to the dogs.”
    2)አንተ እንደጻፍከው “Jesus had declared that he come to this world NOT for peace but to divide people and” መጽሃፍ ቅዱሱ የሚለው 34(A) “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth.(B) I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35(C) For I have come(D) to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
    አዎ ልብ ላላለ ተመሳሳይ ሊመስለው ይችላል ግን የአንድ ቃል መለወጥ ወይንም መጨመር እንዴት ጠቅላላ መለክቱን እንደሚቀይረው፤

  34. ETHIOPIA JEW
    | #34

    Ms.HELEN:

    MR. RIPPA was the person who first initiate some biblical question. In an attempt to answer his question I recalled historical record from the Roman occupation of Israel, and the role that Jesus had played at that time. For this reason was that the invicitive nature of the christian god (Jesus) was addressed, but Jesus was not the primary FOCUS of my article. But by ignoring Mr.Rappi’s question and make an evaluattive determination as to the correctness/wrongness of my answers, you choose to engage (and engaged) in unwanted topics. I had enough in debating religion specially christianity. But christianity is not a religion worthy of study because THE WHOLE AFFAIR OF CHRISTIANITY IS FICTIONAL NARRATIVES AND NOTHING ELSE”. I have argued the wrongfullness of Christian faith with two so-called “knowledgeable people” but as they can’t argue without insult, (which is the typical character of Christian fanatics), I reminded them to stop debating. By coincident or design you replaced them and entered another trecherous water. If you are interested in correcting erroneously cited biblical verses, then let me suggest to you to visit another article that I had written in this website at: http://www.abugidainfo.com/?p=11868 and correct me in any way you can. If you are interested only on my position on the debate, you need to read COMMENT NO 16 and the linked (attached) document under the Title “DIALOGUE ON FAITH BETWEEN ETHIOPIAN CHRISTIAN AND ETHIOPIAN JEW”. Alternatievly, you can find that “SAME” article at:-
    http://www.abugidainfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/on_religious.pdf

    And finally let me prove that what I have cited about Jesus from the BIBLE in which you attempted to correct me was not wrong. It simply reflected my memory as it was written and no one dare to criticise me without proving any finding of substantial change made therefrom.

    Let me re-cite the word of your God (Jesus) and correct me if you discover some sort of misrepresentation and/or interpolation to his word:
    First Let us agree that your Bible called Jesus PRINCE OF PEACE. IS HE ??

    (1) “But bring here those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them and slay them before me” See Luke 19:27 (NKJV) CONTRADICTED BY
    “But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek,turn the other to him also”. See Matthew 5:39 (NKJV)

    *********************************************************************

    The Christian Bible asserted that Jesus come to this world to preach the discarded teaching of the Torah (Matthew 5:17-20.) And one of the 10th law of the Torah (commandment) said “Honor your father and your mother that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you” Exodus 20:12. CONTRADICTED BY “Another of His disciples said to Him “Lord let me first go and bury my Father”. See Matthew 8:21.(nkjv)CONTRADICTED BY But Jesus refused him and said: “Follow me and let the dead bury their own dead (Matthew 8:22 (NKJV)

    Ms.HELEN: Did I falsly recited your Bible??; How do you become antipress and free speech in America??; Do you have a clue who own and manage Abugida?? I hope you will tell me and prove to me that I was wrong in quating your Bible.

  35. Helen
    | #35

    To ETHIOPIA JEW
    ከስሁፎችህ መጨረሻ ልጀምር፤ How do you become antipress and free speech in America?? ብለህ ለጠየክው፤ የምትለውን አሜን ብየ ስላልተቀበልኩህ ከሆነ አሁንም ተሳስተሃል፤ እስቲ እስካሁን ከገለጽኩት ከጻፍኩት ውስጥ የትኛው አባብሌ አገላለጼ antipress and free speech እንደሚያስብለኝ አልገባኝም፤
    ሁለተኛው ጥያቄህ ደሞ፤ Do you have a clue who own and manage Abugida? ለምን እንደጠየከኝ አልገቤኝም ግን በቁጥራቸው ብዙ እንደሆኑት ሌላ ዌብ ሳይቶች ስለኢትዮጵያና ስለኢትዮጵያውያኖች ዜና መስማትና የመወያያ መድረክ መሆኑን አውቃለሁ ከዛ ሌላ አቡጊዳም እራሳቸው ለጨረታ ለገበያ አላቀረቡም እኔም ለመግዛትም ሃሳብ የለኝም ስለዚህ የአቡጊዳ ባለቤትነቱ ማወቁን አላስፈለገኝም፤
    ሌላው ደሞ ከጻፍከው “christianity is not a religion worthy of study because THE WHOLE AFFAIR OF CHRISTIANITY IS FICTIONAL NARRATIVES AND NOTHING ELSE” አንተን ያበሉህ ያጠጡህ ለስንት ዘመን ያኖሩህ ህዝብ ሃይማኖት ነው፤ የሃገራችን ሽማግሌዎች ሲተርኩ “ውሻ የበላበትን እጅ ይነክሳል ይላሉ” ቆንጆ አባባል ፤መጥቀስም አያስፈልግም በሚሊዮን ሳይሆን ከቢሊዮን ህዝብ በላይ የሚከተለውም ሃይማኖት እንደሆነ፤
    የሁለታችን እዚህ መድረክ ላይ የተገናኘንበት ምክንያቱ ፕሮፌሰር ኤፍሬምን ስራቸው ትክክል አይደለም ብለው ያወገዟቸውን ዘረኝነት ነው ብለህ ስለጠራህ ነው፤ እና አሁን ነገር በነገር እንደሚባለው ይሂንን ያህል ጥላቻህን( ዘረኝነትህን) ይዘህ እንዴት ሌላውን ለመኮነን ትፈልጋለህ ፤ አሁንም ለእንዳንተ አይነቱ የሃገሬ አውቂ ሽማግሌዎች ሲተርቱ ምን አሉ መሰለህ “ጅራፍ እራሱ ገርፎ እራሱ ይጮሃል” ክዚህ በትረፈ መሰረትህ ገብቶኛል ሌሎቹም ጥቅሶችህ በዚሁ መሰረት ውስጥ የሚጠቃለሉ ስለሆነ የተለየ መልስም አያስፈልጋቸውም።

  36. ETHIOPIA JEW
    | #36

    TO HELEN:

    Thank you for admitting your WEAKNESS. What I have written and recited from your bible is not my own fabrications and, therefore, you have no base to correct me on what I have QUATED FROM THE bIBLE. For this reason is why you failed to refute my concluding point in which I said “I hope you will tell me and prove to me that I was wrong in quating your Bible”. Did you proved??. It is ovious you did not proved this point as as much as you have also falsely tarnish one of Ethiopia’s emienent Biblical/religious scholar when you said that (1) He Left Israel without completed his education, (2)that he was helping the ruling party of ethiopia without pinpointing the particular misdeeds (3) called an elderman HODAM. ADERBY and SEMAGELE. You see, you are a woman of habitual addiction of falsehood brcause you are telling me that “Christian Ethiopian/Ethiopia” is the land that grow me up and, challenging that faith was wrong in my part. This is an proven and problmatic assertion because, unless you are brainstoemed from childhood to this very day, the nation “Christian” Ethiopia is not only land for christians but for Muslims as well as Jews. As to your claim of the number of adherents of christianity, the phnomena is quite correct that there are more than 2 billion christians but you have to make your research that this religion is declining 3-3.5% per year and it is expected by 2070 that Islam which started 600 years after christianity is expected to exceed the number of christianity. In my guess (not scientifically proven fact) Christianity is close to that of Islam even AT PRESENT TIME (not in Ethiopia only but in the world as a whole). POLITICALLY, it seems that Christianity is in the stated billion numbers because people like Johnsen Murphy of the American Pew Foundation did not subtract the christian who did not believe in Jesuu from that of the christians who believe in Him (Jesus). For example, Johova Witness, The Angelican Church of England, The Unification and Unitarians – all do not believe in Jesus but see him as a prophet just the same way Islam see Him. So don’t tell me that “number game” will work for christians because we know the fact beyound measure. As to my belief on the faith of christianity, my position is firm and, I repeat, CHRISTIANITY AS A RELIGION IS FALSE AND FICTIONAL”– I do not know how many more advanced degree I need to know such falsehood—. You may ask why Judaism can not be false as well?. The Jewish religion is true because it was dictated by God, through MOSES, when writing the Ten Commandments. And God’s command in dictating his law was – in person – as live phenomena and NOT by devine revealation as falsely claimed by Apostle of Christ who was antiwoman, antipoor, antichrist and anti other social group.. The christian Bible, however, was written 70-100 years after Jesus died and there is no proof about its authenticity and is full of contradiction. And in Law, Logic or Reason, when one contradicted the conclusion is FALSEHOOD- AND THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE IS FALSE. So what is the best way to get salvation in the world to come?? You have a choice: Either turn to God through Judaism, Islam, other Christian groups who do not believe in Jesus Christ, period.

    AS TO MY MISSION:- Leaving beside all your presumptious opinion as to my alleged “racist…” etc behavior, let me clearly put my mission as clearly as possible. I HAVE NO ANY MISSION TO CONVERT ANYONE TO JUDAISM BUT TO TELL PEOPLE BELIEVING IN JESUS IS CONTRARY TO WHAT HE TAUGHT. AND NOWHERE JESUS SAID ” I AM GOD AND WORSHIP ME” WHILE HE WAS IN THIS WORD. Didhe said??? Where???.

    And finally I urge you to read my argument that I made with Assta B. Gettu and come up with question that require an answer. To read any other religions’ philoosophy is not wrong and because of this reasons is why I know both Abrhamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) And I know all these religions in an equal force, and can read them up-side-down. Sound improbable, boastful, then find anyone in your church/ in community circle and if there is one in your family circle. Have a courage, and do not fear to argue but fear the fear itself.

  37. Reppi
    | #37

    To Ethiopian Jew

    You seem to have extreme dislike of Jesus the Nazarine.
    Is it possible that you are trying to Justify the selling him out to the Romans that was done by your Jews of that time??? (No reply required,just something for you to think about).

    If you truly are Jewish by conversion, you should , like I a said earlier, focus on your own faith.You should limit yourself to your faith.

    BTW,You either need a pair of eye-glasses or a training in spelling as you have repeatedly mispelled my screen name.

    Reppi

  38. ETHIOPIA JEW
    | #38

    Reppi: Good Morning

    Welcome back!! I thought you are done with our communication because after you imposed interesting question about the early Palestinians and Israelites, you disappeared. I found so strange to see you remain silent rather than making your comment on my answer. Why didn’t you put your opinion on that point rather than being irritated on the alleged “misspelling” of your screen name that is so trivial and unimportant? Do you pay Federal and State tax under such name and does that conflict with your Social Security Number or do you have other valid reason for your disappointment??? . Notwithstanding such reply, let me say that, first of all I do not see where I misspelled your name and, if there is one, I appologize but that was not done intentionally, however.

    Another problematic question I must raise in this case about Jesus is on what you said. You said “You seem to have extreme dislike of Jesus the Nazarine.” But earlier, didn’t you said that “FOR YOUR INFORMATION I NEITHER BELIEVE NOR CARE ABOUT THE ISRAELI JESUS” ???? (see your comment #18, on 11/28/2009 @01:37) So how at this very time you became another Paul, Apostle to Christ Jesus, in defending him from the Jew who defended Him?? Did you met Jesus in another road to Demascus?. If so, how Jesus forget to tell you that he “LOVE” me, the Ethiopian Jew, because I am the one who fight “FOR” him, not “AGAINST” him, because I have no any problem with him per se but the CHRISTIANS WHO WRONGLEY WORSHIPPED HIM AS “GOD” CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHING”.

    What Jesus said in his earthly life, ‘FEW’ examples:

    “My Father who has given me (the sheeps/his
    followers)is greater than all” (John 10:29 )

    My Father is greater than I” (John 14;28)

    But christians theologians hold “great” means “equal”. How stupid it is to believe ‘great’ to be ‘equal’ !!!! And if Jesus is God, how he said “my Father is greater than I ??”. So from all previous article which one was against Jesus ?

    “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30)

    Christian misunderstood and/or interpreted Jesus’ saying as if he meant to be one with God rather than to understood him as he was saying to be “ONE ON PURPOSE” – purpose to save the world by God’s mercy and Jesus’ mission to accomplish that.

    “I can do nothing on my own authority” (John 5:30)
    “All power in Heaven & on Earth is given to me by my
    Father” (Mark 28:18).

    Here too, Christian deliberately misinterpreted these two verses as if it meant that there is no “giver” and “receiver” of spritual power. How mindless people in the Christian School of Theology (and in their universal belief as well) accepted the teaching of Jesus to the contrary of what he said?

    My Fellow Ethiopian !! :- You might have been thinking that I was attacking Jesus but you are deadly wrong and I am with Jesus. The undeniable fact is that when I engaged in a heated debate I throw many offensive words because every time I attack false believers of God in the name of Jesus, I failed to assumed that the mud I thrown only stick on the false believers of Idole (simulacrum) whether that Idole is an object or entity in the form of humankind- in this case Jesus. Don’t forget that in the Judaic interpretation, God is manifested by his accomplished works, the creation of the universe that no Idole (a man in a semi-deity formi) substitute Him. But Christians forget God’s word who said:

    “You are my witness, said the Lord and my servants whom I haven choosen That you may know and believe Me and understand that that I AM He
    before me there was no God formed Nor shall there be after Me”.- Isa. 43:10

    My Fellow Ethiopian;- It is stupid to remain silent when your people is going to the world of darkness. But Thank you for your half-hearted advice.

  39. Reppi
    | #39

    Selam Ethiopian Jew
    Let me first state my belief: I believe in Egziabeher, the creator of
    all. The one, the all, the indivisible, the creator who sees all creation
    sacred. Having said that, I do believe that at some point in history
    Jesus existed. I do not believe he was the son of God anymore than I
    believe Egziabeher has a chosen people.
    As to the question who the real descendants of the tribe of Judah,
    The present day Palastinians are indeed the descendants of said tribe.
    The distinction I am making is Between The children of Israel and
    the Israelis who currently live in the country called Israel which was
    created in the late Ninteen Forties by western powers.
    I think there are some followers of the Jewish faith who would like
    to claim descendancy of the tribe of Judah by virtue of their religion.
    The bible you are quoting from is a history book of a certan people
    it’s varacity is not fully verified. As such it can not be taken as fact.
    The followers of the Jewish faith claim they are a chosen people.
    The followers of Christ believe that Christ is divine. Both beliefs
    are based on an unverified historical writting.
    The universe/creation is infinite. Egziabeher is all and all is Egziabeher.
    One can not assign human Attributes to the creator.
    I find it unblievable that the Creator has chosen people or that
    the creator, of all creation, is overly concerned about humans to
    the deferment of the rest of creation.
    As for the mispelling of my screen name, it was a by the way comment.
    A comment on your writting skill. It might even be called a constructive
    critique.
    Reppi

  40. Helen
    | #40

    To Ethiopian Jew
    ከመጽሃፍ ቅዱሱ ላይ አንተ መርጠህ እንደጠቀስከው፤ My Father is greater than I” (John 14;28)
    But christians theologians hold “great” means “equal”. How stupid it is to believe ‘great’ to be ‘equal’ !!!! And if Jesus is God, how he said “my Father is greater than I
    መጽሃፍ ቅዱሱ ላይ እንደተጠቀሰው፤
    John 14
    8)Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

    Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
    እንግዲህ ይሄንን ባንተ አባባል ምን ብለህ እንደምትተረጉመው አላውቅም፤ “I am in the Father and the Father is in me”
    ሌላው ደግሞ፤ ምን አይነት አዋቂ እንደሆንክና ብዙ ከማወቅህም የተናሳ መጽሃፍ ቅዱሱን ገልብጠህ እንኩዋን ማንበብ እንደምትችል ትገልጻለህ የተሳሳትከው ነገር ቢኖር ሁሉም መጽሃፍ ቅዱስን እንዳንተ ለደሞዝ ወይንም ለስራ ብለው አይደለም የሚያነቡት ለእምነትና ለተግባር ነው ለውጡን ከተረዳሀው፤

    መጨረሻ ይቺን ትንሽ ጽሁፍ እንድታነባትና እንዲገባህ ለምን ሁለታችን የተለያየ ቁዋንቁዋ እንደምናወራ፤
    ሳልረሳው (Mark 28:18) ብለህ የተቀስከው መጽሃፍ ቅዱስ ነው ወይስ የታሪክ መጽሃፍ ?

    “Why do most Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah?

    Answer: The Jews rejected Jesus because He failed, in their eyes, to do what they expected their Messiah to do—destroy evil and all their enemies and establish an eternal kingdom with Israel as the preeminent nation in the world. The prophecies in Isaiah and Psalm 22 described a suffering Messiah who would be persecuted and killed, but they chose to focus instead on those prophecies that discussed His glorious victories, not His crucifixion.

    The commentaries in the Talmud, written before the onset of Christianity, clearly discuss the Messianic prophecies of Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 and puzzle over how these would be fulfilled with the glorious setting up of the Kingdom of the Messiah. After the Church used these prophecies to prove the claims of Christ, the Jews took the position that the prophecies did not refer to the Messiah, but to Israel or some other person.

    The Jews believed that the Messiah, the prophet which Moses spoke about, would come and deliver them from Roman bondage and set up a kingdom where they would be the rulers. Two of the disciples, James and John, even asked to sit at Jesus’ right and left in His Kingdom when He came into His glory. The people of Jerusalem also thought He would deliver them. They shouted praises to God for the mighty works they had seen Jesus do, and called out “Hosanna, save us” when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey (Matthew 21:9). They treated Him like a conquering king. Then when He allowed Himself to be arrested, tried and crucified on a cursed cross, the people stopped believing that He was the promised prophet. They rejected their Messiah (Matthew 27:22).

    Note that Paul tells the Church that the spiritual blindness of Israel is a “mystery” that had not previously been revealed (Romans chapters 9-11). For thousands of years Israel had been the one nation that looked to God while the Gentile nations generally rejected the light and chose to live in spiritual darkness. Israel and her inspired prophets revealed monotheism—one God who was personally interested in mankind’s destiny of heaven or hell, the path to salvation, the written Word with the Ten Commandments. Yet Israel rejected her prophesied Messiah, and the promises of the kingdom of heaven were postponed. A veil of spiritual blindness fell upon the eyes of the Jews who previously were the most spiritually discerning people. As Paul explained, this hardening in part of Israel led to the blessing of the Gentiles who would believe in Jesus and accept Him as Lord and Savior.

    Two thousand years after He came to the nation of Israel as their Messiah, Jews still (for the most part) reject Jesus Christ. Many Jews today (some say at least half of all living Jews) identify themselves as Jewish but prefer to remain “secular.” They identify with no particular Jewish movement and have no understanding or affiliation with any Jewish biblical roots. The concept of Messiah as expressed in the Hebrew Scriptures or Judaism’s “13 Principles of Faith” is foreign to most Jews today.

    But one concept is generally held as universal: Jews must have nothing to do with Jesus! Most Jews today perceive the last 2000 years of historical Jewish persecution to be at the hands of so-called “Christians.” From the Crusades, to the Inquisition, to the pogroms in Europe, to Hitler’s holocaust—Jews ultimately believe that they are being held responsible for the death of Jesus Christ and are being persecuted for that reason. They, therefore, reject Him today for this reason and for the other historical reasons mentioned above.

    The good news is that many Jews are turning to Christ today. The God of Israel has always been faithful to keep a “remnant” of believing Jews to Himself. In the United States alone, some estimates say that there are over 100,000 Jewish believers in Jesus, and the numbers are growing all the time.

  41. Helen
    | #41

    To Reppi
    በእምነትህ ጥና ለማንም ማስረጃ ማቅረብ አያስፈልግህም በምን እንደምታምን ፤
    አንዳንዴ ተሳስቶ ከሚያሳስት ያርቀኝ ይባላላ፤ እስራኤሎች እንኩዋን ስለየዋህ ደግነት በእብራይስጥ አንድ አባባል አላቸው “זה נוצרי טוב” ሲተረጎም “ይሄ ጥሩ ክርስቲያን ነው”

  42. ETHIOPIA JEW
    | #42

    To REPPI:
    – AND–
    To HELEN:

    Hello Both of you. Reppi, I am happy that you come to the truth but also you have been there befor I express my happiness. God is always one even though we cal him differently as Egziabher, Elohim, Allah God .. etc. Once you come to God this close, the rest of biblical narratives and historical interpretation is secondary. It seems that you do not believed that there is “choosen people” and other not included within such category. Alike you I don’t believe that God had created human acoording to class but the writer of the bible had made such errors which, in turn we hold to be true but in reality God is “just” and evere human race is “equal” so dont’t be troubled by such generalization of human race as choosen and not choosen.

    As to the historical facts, I have assented to your conclusion that the palestinians are the descendaent of ancient Israel. Also we agree as to what differentiate the Israeli of today that exist after the 1940s and the Israeli of ancient time. So in all count we are in the same page of history. God bless you and your family.

    Ms. HELEN, Let me address few issues to you that you had addressed to me. First let me take you back to the biblical verse correctly cited but the author was mistakenly identified. This is about Luke 28:18 which you had asked me whether I have cited such verse from the History Book. NO it was from Matthew 28:18 and not from History Book. I mistakenly quated the author as “Mark” rather than “Matthew” for an honest understandable mistake. Here is how: The Book I use is the 1982 edition of NEW KING JAMES VERSION (NKJV)1982 edition of the Christian Bible. In this book, Matthew start from page 849 – 881 and had a total chapters of 28 and ended at the middle page of 881. Mark also begin from the middle page of 881 which had a total chapters of 16 and ended at page 902. Therefore, when one book ended and the other begin at the same page, and writing the specific verse from Mathew and referred it as Mark is not a mistake that one need to put in the front page of the New York Times. But one who desire to find fault while not clear self from fault is like fool since the mistake would have been discovered easily had you been a woman desire to lear. In other word, If you do not find Mark not to have more than 16, chapters, why don’t you assume that there would have been a mistake done and see such specific “numbers” of the verse from backward or forward Mark, Luke and John so that you prove your self that you are a learner as much as you would like to teach others.

    As to the Question of ” Why Jews rejected Jesus as a Messiah”:

    To begin with I didn’t address in my recent comment “why Jews reject Jesus as a Messiah” and I do not discussed his crufixtion either his crucifixition was the result of Isaiah’s prophesy of Chapter 53.

    YOU BROUGHT THE ISSUE TO THIS FORUM AND AT THIS TIME NOT BECAUSE IT WAS RELEVANT BUT EITHER YOU JUST COPIED THE CHRISTIAN POINTS FROM A PUBLISHED ARTICLE (WHATEVER THE SOURCE MAY BE) BECAUSE EITHER THE GRAMATICAL CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DEBATES ARE NOT YOURS. IF YOU ATTEMPT TO PROVE OTHERWISE, THEN I MUST ASSUME IT IS PERJURY AND IT IS DENIAL AND IT IS FALSE. IN EITHER CASE ISAIAS 53 IS NOT THE PROPHESY ABOUT JESUS AS AS SUFFERING SURVANT, PERIOD.

    To begin with the “SUFFERING SERVANT” that Christian referred is not for the christian god, Jesus but for israel itself as a nation and Jacob who was also called Israel. Lets see from the Hebrew Bible where these facts are found:

    1. “A heritage to ISRAEL HIS SERVANT, for His mercy enduresforever, (Psalm 136:22.)

    2. “But do not fear, O MY SERVANT JACOB, and do not be dismayed, O ISRAEL (Jermiah 46:27)

    3. “Do not fear, O JACOB MY SERVANT, says the Lord, for I am with you for I will make a complete end of all the nations” (Jermiah 76:28)

    4 “Therefore do not fear, O MY SERVANT JACOB, says the Lord, not be dismayed, O ISRAEL, for beholdI will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity, Jacob shall return, have rest and be quite” (Jermiah 30:10)

    ISRAEL ALSO REFERRED AS GOD’S SERVANT IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE:

    5. “He (GOD) has helped HIS SERVANT ISRAEL in rememberance of His mercy (Luke 1:54)

    The above are not the only mentions of Israel referred as “SERVANT” to god by Isaiah preceeding his Chapter 53 Chapter:

    6. “But you, Israel, are my SERVANT, JACOB whom I have chosen” (Isaiah 41:8-9)

    7. ” Yet hear now, O JACOB MY SERVANT AND ISRAEL whom I have chosen” (Isaiah 44:1)

    8. Remember these O JACOB AND ISRAEL, for you are my servant. I have formed you , you are my servant(Isaiah 44:21)

    9. “You are my servant , O ISRAEL in whom I will be glorified (Isaiah 49:3)

    10. The Lord had redeemed His SERVANT JACOB (Isaiah 48:20)

    SECHEGER TEFF BEDER as they say, Christaian Theologians borrowed the word “suffering servant” and applied to jesus which Isaiah had predicted the suffering of the Jews be it from its exile and the holocust. SHAMELESSLY, Christian theologians asserted that the suffering survant described in Isaiah 53 is Jesus. However, it was also asserted that Jesus is a part of the “trinity”, and therefore, is God Himself. Therefore, according this view and belief, God sent Himself as His own “suffering servant” This does not make sense logically and is contrary to the plaining of the text. Logically and in context, a servant and the servant’s masterare not the same person.

    THE ALLEGED MESSIAANIC KING OF JESUS FOR ISRAEL

    It has been claimed that Jesus was a Jewish Messiah in your plagarized article as referred by Isaiah 53 and Pslam 22. But Jesus is not a Jewish prophet let alone be a messiah. This is because Jesus does’t fulfilled all the SIX criterion I have mentioned in my previous articles. I will not waste time in rewriting those criteria but you can read from page 6-7 on the web at: http://www.abugidainfo.com/?p=11868

    ABOUT CHRISTIANS RETURNING TO JESUS:

    In your article, you claimed that Jews are returning to Jesus and there are approximatly 100,000 in the United States. How much closely you know them is not revealed but let me tell you precisely how much I know them because they were attempted to trap me befor I mastered theology to the present lavel. They are a California based Chriatian sect not Jewish even though they call themselves “MESSIANIC JUDAISM”. They are the branch of Evangelican hidden religious affilated politician supporting George Bush to elect him and supported him to declare War on Iraq. They are an instrumental of evangelical christian sect that operate under Jewish religious name and tradation. ONLY FOOL CAN FALL INTO THEIR TRAP but you can join them if you like.

    REPPI AND HELEN:

    This is my final comment and I will not respond to any further comment and after this final comment, I will change my pen name effective immediately.

    GOD BLESS ETHIOPIA AND THE WORLD

  43. Helen
    | #43

    To Ethiopian Jew

    “Mark 28:18″ ብለህ ለጠቀስከው ነው ነገሮችን አቅልለህ እንድታያቸው፤

    A Sunday school teacher was giving her class the assignment for the next week.

    “Next Sunday,” she said, “we are going to talk about liars, and in preparation for our lesson I want you all to read the Seventeenth Chapter of Mark.”

    The following week, at the beginning of the class meeting, the teacher said, “Now then, all of you who have prepared for the lesson by reading the Seventeenth Chapter of Mark, please step to the front of the room.”

    About half the class rose and came forward.

    “The rest of you may leave,” said the teacher, “these students are the ones I want to talk to. There is no Seventeenth Chapter in the Book of Mark.”

  44. .
    | #44

    TO HELEN

    The Christian God , Jesus accomplished one of his magical work by changing water into Wine. Wine is Alchol Jusus introduced to the Christian world in which it help to die their thinking capacity. One is such Helen, the psychotic, who can not read the mistakenly cited author of “Mark” as “Matthew”. How sad it to die. The Hebrew Bible warned one to distance from the product that Jesus introduced to his followers:

    “Wine produces mockers; liquor leads to brawls. Whoever is led astray by drink cannot be wise” Proverbs 20:1

    “The person who strays from the common sense will end up in the company of the dead.” Proverbs 21:16

    STOP WRITING WHILE YOU ARE IN THE STATE OF INTOXICATION; FOR OTHERWISE ANY BAD WORD WILL BE MET BY THE WORSET ONE.

  45. Helen
    | #45

    ህይወት ከባድ ነው ቀላል አይደለም ይገባኛል አንዳንዴ ከፍ አንዳንዴ ደሞ ዝቅ አለው ፤
    ስለዚህ ከፍ ያለውም በከፍታው ዝቅ ያለውም በዝቅታው አምኖ መኖር ሃቀኝነት ነው፤
    ግን አንዳንዴ ሃሰተኞች ዝቅ ያለ ቦታ ላይ ሆነው እራሳቸውን ከፍ አድርገው ይናገራሉ ሃቁ ሲወጣባቸው ግን ሃቁን ለመቀበል በጣም ይከብዳቸዋል ስለዚህም መጀምሪያ ማንነታቸውን ይደብቃሉ ትንሽ ቆይተው ደግሞ ምንነታቸውን ይደብቃሉ፤
    ለእኔ ስሜን ጠቅሶ መጻፍ ማንኛውም ሰው ይችላል መድረኩ የህዝብ ነው፤
    ግን እኔ ማንነታቸውን ለማይገልጹና ፈሪዎችና ወፍ ዘራሾች መልስ አልሰጥም፤
    በጣም የምወዳትን ሃገሬን ኢትዮጵያን እስከነህዝቦችዋ እግዚአብሄር ይባርካት ከአጥፊዎች እጅ ያርቃት ።

  46. ETHIOPIAN JEW
    | #46

    HELEN:

    Besides shadding crocodile tear, you also made unequvical assertion of of defea in which you said “…. MELS ALSETEM” (i.e., “NO REPONSIVE ANSWER I SHALL OFFER…”. This is a good conclusion in your part because you can not get answer on the subject that you are not trained. CASE CLOSED.

  47. Helen
    | #47

    To Ethiopian Jew
    አየህ ምን አይነት ትንሽ እንደሆንክ ልክ ለህጻን ከረሜላ ስትለው ከተደበቀበት እራሱን ብቅ እንደሚአደርግ ላንተም ሁለት ቃል ብቻ መወርወር ነው እራስህን መልሰህ ብቅ እንድታደርግ፤
    “Besides shadding crocodile tear” ብለህ ለጻፍከው ይሀውልህ ማስታወሻ፤
    “The professor is the victim of racism and discrimination. Because of his religion as a Jew, he may not favored by the christian gangs who have no love to God or humanity.” የማይሆን ምክንያት አምጥተህ አታላዝን ብዬ ጽፌልህ ነበር እና የእምዬን ወደአብዬ አታዙር አንተው አልቃሻ መልሰህ ሌላውን አልቃሻ ትላለህ፤
    “The Christian God , Jesus accomplished one of his magical work by changing water into Wine. Wine is Alchol Jusus introduced to the Christian world in which it help to die their thinking capacity.”
    በውሸታምነት እንኩዋን አዋቂ ውሸታም እንዳልሆንክ ከዚህ ጽሁፍህ መረዳት ይቻላል፤ ስለተለያዩ ሃይማኖቶች እውቀትህን ስትደረድርልን ነበር አሁን ደሞ ያንን እረስተህ ዋይንን ከክርስቲያን ሃይማኖት ጋር ብቻ አያያዝከው፤ ዋይንን በሃይማኖት የሚከለክሉ በጣም ጥቂት ሃይማኖቶች አሉ እነዚህ ሃይማኖቶች ውስጥ ግን አይሁዳዊ ሃይማኖት የለበትም፤ ለነገሩ ሃሰትም ቢሆን በጸበልነትም ሆነ በሌላ ምክንያት ዋይንን የቀመሰ በሙሉ አልኮሆሊስትና የማሰብ ችሎታው የደነዘዘ ነው ብለህ ከወነጀልክ አንተም እዚሁ ተወንጃዩ ውስጥ ነህ ማለት ነው፤
    ግን ክጥቂት ወራቶች በፊት የእስራኤል ጠቅላይ ሚኒስቴር ቢቢ ናታንያሁ በፓርላማው ውስጥ ንግግር ሲያደርግ የእስራኤል ህዝብ በአልኮሆል ተጠቃሚነቱ በአለም ላይ ከኡክራይና ቀጥሎ በሁለተኛ ደረጃ እንደምትገኝና ከ11 አመት ህጻናቶች ጀምሮ በተለያየ እድሜ የሚገኙ ወጣቶች በአልኮሆል መጠጥ ተሳታፊ እንደሆኑና ለዚህም ችግር መፍትሄ መገኘት እንዳለበት ማስጠንቀቂያ ሰጥቶ ነበር፤ ለመጨረሻ አንድ ምክር ልለግስህ ይቺን በአራት ማህዘን ሳጥን ውስጥ ያለውን አስተሳሰብህን ቀይር፤ ወይም ሳጥኑን ገፋ ገፋ እያደረክ ለማስፋት ሞክር ካልሆነም በተለያዩ አቅጣጫ ቀዳዳ አብጅለትና እራስህን ብቅ አድርገህ በሰፊው ለማየት ሞከር ይሄም ካላስፈላጊ ስህተቶች እንድትቆጠብ ይረዳሃል፤

  48. ETHIOPIAN JEW
    | #48

    HELEN:

    Orthodoxy means not thinking- not needing to think . Orthodoxy is unconsciousness” – George Orwell (1903-1950)

  49. Mulu
    | #49

    To Helen and the Jew

    I do not understand why a woman write bad things instead of arguing the point. Is it me only or do others believe that this woman escaped from mental institution?. We really appreciate if someone knows her and tell us about her. The Ethiopian Jew also had said that the case was closed but still write. Why you guys do not stop altogether.

  50. Ethiopian jew
    | #50

    To Mulu

    Thank you for your concern about the mental state of Helen. I have no desire to argue with her but I realized that she was used by Aie Zu Guo who tarnished the professor’s character witout indicating the specific misconduct alleged. It is sad that this man/woman (Aie Zu Gue) had hidden him/her self and see the other excanging almost 50 comments. This man/woman is anti Jew and anti intellectual that exceed beyound and above him/her.

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